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SolitoN · #1 10-30-2006, 12:55 AM

I've been playing videogames for a long time...The games for the 8-bit Nintendo set my imagination on fire, and over the course of the 19 years since I first played them, my search for entertainment has led me to enjoy gaming on as many platforms (except X-Box) as I can, and to sample games from all genres at least once.

So you can definetely classify me as a hard-core gamer.

I remember that the controllers for the 8-bit Nintendo, as well as for all subsequent Nintendo consoles, were well-designed (except for the Gamecube -- yeech), comfortable, intuitive and rugged. I NEVER once had to purchase another controller after my initial purchase of the console it came with. The games had great gameplay and stories that were imaginative, fun and interesting (Faxanadu, the Zelda series, Contra, Metroid, etc, etc) Even as an 8 year old child, I could see that Nintendo was a company that aimed to entertain to the fullest.

The Sony Computer Entertainment Corporation, on the other hand, is about profit and market acquisition strategies and, in its ruthless pursuit of those, is willing to exploit gamers as much as they'll allow. Sony truly turned gaming into a business -- and for that I'll never forgive them.

The reason for the high-price of the PS3? Market acquisition.

As most people know, blu-ray is a new technology, and new technologies don't start off cheap to manufacture, so when that technology is new, customers pay outrageous prices i.e. $1000 for a stand-alone blu-ray player. But not PS3 customers...Why? Because Sony stands to grab a larger chunk of the high definition player market by using its already established gaming market as a springboard.

So, even though you and me might not want a blu-ray player...and why would you, by the way? The format conflict between it and HD-DVD ISN'T resolved, and it's most likely neither one will win, as third-party manufacturers will find common ground either in media or hardware. Nonethelss, we are forced to buy one, and Sony has the audacity to state that we are getting a deal, since we only pay between $500-600 dollars AND we get a gaming console. The problem with this reasoning is what I've just mentioned above -- most likely, third-parties will bridge the conflict, and thus, there won't BE any advantage in getting a blu-ray player cheap, since hardware will either support both formats, or new media will. Thus, Sony is trying to fool us into PAYING for their acquisition of the market and, when blu-ray doesn't win the fight, we're the ones who end up losing our cash, as Sony made us the fight sponsor wihout even asking us.

Some might argue at this point that the high price of the PS3 is also influenced by the Cell processor. I'll admit, it's a POSSIBILITY, since I haven't looked into the manufacturing and development costs, but since IBM has done most of the research, and that they stand to gain a lot of cash by including their chip in embedded systems, I doubt very much the costs to Sony were high enough to raise the price of the PS3 to where it is now.

The reason I mentioned Nintendo and its practices at the beginning of this post was so that these practices could be contrasted with Sony'.

The PS2 had disc-read errors from the beginning (which turned out to be caused by manufacturing defects), and the company' response was to remain obstinate until a class action lawsuit was filed. So, they messed up the manufacturing, but we should pay for it? The courts gave their opinion on that, and consumers got justice.

The price of the PS2 also remained static right up until the PS3 launch, showcasing Sony' ability to milk us for all we're worth.

The controllers Sony churns out are of poor quality; I had to buy THREE controllers after initially purchasing a PS2 (NOT including the second one I bought at the same time as the console)...and I don't throw my controllers or anything like that either, I just play Tekken with friends. Then there's the cost -- $50 a pop for a sub-standard, useless piece of junk. But I had no choice, and Sony exploited that. Lost your memory card? Too bad, cause it's going to cost you $40 for that. Want an HD cable? I think i've made my point.

Sony sells us gaming piecemeal, and the responsibility for bringing this practice into the gaming industry practically falls on its shoulders alone. Nintendo NEVER took us for all we're worth in the shameless manner Sony continues to do.

So I think I'll buy a Wii...and if I have too much free time, I'll spend some of it with friends, and take up more outdoor activities and get my them to come along. Oh, I'll buy a PS3, but only when PS4 comes around, making the price drop to sane levels.

What I won't do, is be exploited by some greedy chumps.

SONY

Yellow 13 · #2 10-31-2006, 07:58 AM

Dude are you are a SONY hater or something because if you are leave now please. there's this guy on Playstation forums that only blasts SONY at any chance. If you do become like him you will be hated, so please try to stop that.

I got 2 MEMORY CARDS and GT4 for 50 bucks.
I have 2 controllers and they are only starting to wear out after 5 years of use (i play (when i can) around six hours a day) and i smash them around when i lose (especially on Kingdom Hearts).
Maybe the reason Nintendo doesn't have many defects (most defects for PS2 are because they are lemons) is because the build is simple.
Tohiba is filing a lawsuit against cross HD-DVD, Blu-Ray players (blame them for that)
On a normal DVD you wouldn't fit many games on the discs (when COMPRESSED Resistance takes up 24GB of the 25GB space. SONY never said or hinted at PS3 to push Blu-Ray (BR) as a media. When and if BR loses then developers will still use it to fit enourmous games on there (When PS3 launches the 50GB BR disc will come out).

Really you are just another confused SONY hater that states they hate XBOX because they don't want to be blasted into oblivion. My friend even did that but i am not going to say who this is becuase he is my friend and we both have our views on gaming and we get along very well.

XxMaStErOfAlLxX · #3 12-09-2006, 08:53 PM

Yeah dont start to dis sony this whole website is about sony if you come here to dis it then be ready to get alot of hate e-mails

crash1202 · #4 02-07-2007, 11:50 PM

isnt blu ray owned by sony?

Jeter16 · #5 02-08-2007, 12:11 AM

There is some truth to what was said by soliton but to be completly honest the playstation is a must buy, things obviously dont last forever, and sure controllers might need to get replaced but no one can do anything about it. sony is a franchise and there job is to make millions of dollars which they've been doing over the past 10 years and you cant just put them down like that. we are the consumers and the people who feel strong enough to say "lets go buy a system" are the ones who end up laughing afterwards, because we just got such a sweet deal. blu ray is just an added bonus feature that gives us an even better reason to purchase a playstation. i'll admit, you buy the system but there are alot more things needed to be bought in order for it to be fully enjoyable. for example, i had to buy an hdtv (why? because i want the best gaming) and i needed to buy thee cables and some games and maybe i'll think of getting a headset when they come out. Sony in a way is "mooching" of us if you will but its all to our benefit and the people who have been playing video games for years who just want to see more and more.

the only thing i'll agree with you completly on is that the ps3 controller is a "waste" because you do in fact need to throw it out when its battery fully dies. im sure everyone can agree with that but if you want to experience the future then thats why people spend money on these pieces of technology.

crispino13 · #6 02-08-2007, 01:12 AM

hey soliton you piece of shit gamer, you said you will spend more time outside with friends. does that mean you are a fat ass fag who wasted the first half of your life playing video games. the only reason you hate sony is because you dont have the money to afford a superior brand like sony. you are probably a little hippie shit because you are practically worshiping the old ass Nintendo's, yeh they were cool when they came out, but now you are just living in the past. It is a new age and you know what that means it is the age of the playstation 3. So step aboard, never mind actually we would rather have you buy a wii and play those faget games where you move your hands all around and look like a gay lord. But thats what you are right a gay lord. so go home and play your tiny little shit stain called "wii" while i will go and play the next generation of gaming on the playstation 3. oh and if you are on the site just to trash talk the sony playstation that get the hell out dumb ass its called ps3chat.com so dont waist our time, just go look at your gay porn or something.

Jeter16 · #7 02-08-2007, 01:39 AM

well said crispino

an1mal_69 · #8 02-08-2007, 08:42 AM

i never read the whole post so forgive me if im a bit out of line here..but would it not make sense for Sony to use the Blu-Ray drive due to its 50Gb storage capacity. Jus wait until developers get into their stride..think of a starwars game where you're involved in an intense fire fight on the surface if a planet..your loosing, spot a downed ship in the distance..make a break for it. Your there, jump in..it works, you lift off, turn, unleash a few laser blasts then dogfight your way back up into orbit, find your allies and dock

all this is possible (in theory), thanks to the increased storage capacity of the blu-ray disc

crispino13 · #9 02-08-2007, 10:43 PM

exactly animal_69 the doors have now been opened for better stories and game play and it makes it more exciting, with all the extra space using the blue-ray disc games will step up to new levels and just be out of this world. good job

kratoshommie · #10 02-08-2007, 11:52 PM

hey bud u buyin a nitendo wii? then get the hell off ps3 chat and get your ass to wiichat. we didnt sign up for this website for u to put down our system. get your negative ass off the ps3.

crispino13 · #11 02-09-2007, 12:17 AM

exactly right man!!!!

Crossfade8448 · #12 02-28-2007, 03:29 AM

ps3 isn't trying to rip you off dumb shit! they are trying to make gaming better...notice the reason for next gen gameplay! technology cost money get over it...

Crossfade8448 · #13 02-28-2007, 03:30 AM

russman23 · #14 02-28-2007, 03:43 AM

blu ray makes the quality of the game much better and they can fit bigger longer and nicer games on it. so it just make it beeter

ScootaKuH · #15 02-28-2007, 12:45 PM

Soliton doesn't sound like a Sony hater to me. He puts forward a well balanced argument but just because some of you younger gamers (Crispino, Jeter16, I too have experienced your immature rants) see this as a slur on the Sony and PS brand you automatically take offence thereby showing just how immature you are. I'm disappointed in Sony for a lot of their decisions too, does that make me a Sony hater?? I don't think so.

Starting getting personal with people is just pathetic. Leave people to their own views.

Hondan · #16 02-28-2007, 02:24 PM

Ahhhh... You know the Nintendo Wii is the only game console that is making a profit right out of the box right? Sony and Microsoft are both taking a loss when selling a console, while hoping to make the money back from games. Nintendo, on the other hand, is making some money from you when you buy the console, and making more money from you when you buy their games. In other words, the Wii could be sold at a much cheaper price, if it weren't for Nintendo's greed, but that is the corporate in general, and I come to accept the fact that the main goal for ANY company is to maximize its profit. Now I am not saying Nintendo is bad, I am just saying your one-sided view against Sony is wrong.

I have a Wii and I love it, although not as much as my PS3, but I still love the innovation and the revolutionary gaming mechanics. However, if you have ever touched a Wii and its controller, you will soon realize the "cheapness" of the material used to construct this console, the plastic on the console feels like the recycled plastic used to build my dustpan. I remember when I first opened my Wii, I thought to myself that the PS3's glossy and polished surface feels much better in my hands.

As far as the PS2 controller goes, I had my PS2 since its launch day. Like you, I also purchased three additional controllers and a Multi-tap adapter for the console, and guess what, both the controllers and my PS2 still work just fine. If you hammer and mash your controller all the time, then no matter who made the controller, it will break.

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